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Home > Resources > US Tax Changes > Quotes




US Tax Changes TIPRA/911

Quotes

Expatriates from around the region speak about TIPRA/911 tax changes and the effect on their families and businesses

Most recently posted quotes are at the top

Al Costlow, Singapore

posted 19 July

"Given the tax increase the American manager will be much less competitive; as a company we will put extra effort into finding qualified non-Americans. Tax burdens on expats and the companies they work for will eventually eliminate American managers form the international workforce.

The United States will not be represented directly by American citizens in the international business world; there will no longer be a network of Americans active in the international community. This cannot be good for our country."

From a New York Times Article published in February 19, 1980, by Robert D. Hershey, Jr.

posted 18 July
“It’s not just a matter of dollars and cents.” Said Mr. McCarthy, the recruiter. “If you don’t have American people of some stature on the ground, you’re just not going to get across the American point of view. You can project power with aircraft carriers, but you can also spread American influence with businessmen.”

(apologies to business women but this was 26 years ago. web-editor)

Bret Willoughby CPA, Willoughby CPA LLC, Madison, Wisconsin

"I am a CPA that prepares tax returns for 175 overseas Americans... According to the IRS about a quarter of overseas Americans work for not-for-profit organizations like development agencies, international schools and religious not for profits that do not “equalize the foreign taxes.” These Americans typically earn US$25,000-50,000... The IRS says the biggest problem with overseas Americans is non-compliance or non-filers. TIPRA encourages overseas Americans to be non-filers...

I have one client from Sen. Grassley’s home state of IA who earned US$25,000 as a teacher in Asia. When she came home to visit and then bury her mother in IA her employer had to include that income in her taxable income. Her limited savings are going to be taxed now in the US.

The Senate Finance Committee press releases assume that the overseas American can take both the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion and the Foreign Tax Credit. This is wrong. Most Americans living overseas make under the US$80,000 and don’t take the foreign housing allowance and can not take the foreign tax credit once they start taking the Exclusion.

This was a bad provision of TIPRA."

Hong Kong “Due to the changes just enacted…we are forced to reduce our Southeast Asia staff by 3 people. Having three Americans was marginally cost effective. With this added expense it becomes uneconomical. I have no US positions for them to return to. We will have these people repatriated by end of summer. I have three other people residing in Hong Kong we are assessing as to cost impact."
Hong Kong "Be sure the Government Affairs Committee [of AmCham] thanks Congress and Senator Grassley for adding to unemployment and reducing the tax base. We can just keep eroding our competitive posture until the Chinese and Indians take over.”
Robert Chipman, CEO of Asian Tigers K. C. Dat - Hong Kong “How will we fare when US expatriates stop moving from the US (still the biggest moving market by a large measure)? How will moving companies – especially those based in the US – survive when their natural market dries up? How will overseas agents like my own company in Hong Kong fare when business to and from our biggest market slows down – perhaps dramatically? Not good would be my answer.”
New York Times article "Iowa couple living in Singapore who expect to owe $20,000 to $25,000 more in U.S. taxes, up from $5,000 last year, while paying $20,000 in Singapore taxes to boot."
Christopher and Joan Fix, Singapore “Actually it will cost the company 100% more and we will pay 160% more in taxes under the new law.”
Martin Buchholz, Singapore “I have been living and working outside of the US since 1980 so getting pretty experienced at it. I am quite concerned as I live on a very tight budget and I can't just decide to move back because of the tax issue as I have nothing to move back to! I certainly don't want to do what I saw in one blog as a suggestion- that was to give up the US passport. And I certainly hate the characterization of us all being "Fat Cats." I think I am just a "skinny dog" trying to exist overseas.”
Richard Scanlon, Crescent Point, Singapore, Registered Voter in Florida “..there will be little or no impact on the wealthiest while the impact on those in greatest need will be severe. For example, an American parent who earns US$100,000 – 200,000 per annum and who expects reasonable, but not extravagant, living standards in Singapore (say, on par with the US), including education at the American school or a similar institution, one or two trips home per year, a car and a sensible residence will suddenly struggle to make ends meet. SMEs such as Crescent Point, whether American or not, will not carry the additional cost. We simply cannot afford to do so. MNCs and other large institutions, whether American or not, may cover the additional cost initially…. Eventually, however, they will not; there is no commercial rational for doing so over the long term…. Ultimately, this additional burden will reside with individuals.”
Singapore resident, Pennsylvania voter No kids, housing allowance US$35,000 a year and does not cover all my rent. I have to pay the balance. We were able to write this off before but with the max amount now of US$11,000, this is where the tax burden increased. Home leave - 2 business class tickets to US return. In Singapore 1.5 years - in Hong Kong 10 years prior to here. The situation will only be worse in HK where the rents are higher. This does make it less attractive to work overseas in high cost countries.
Rudolph A. Muller, Singapore “I am working abroad in Singapore and am a registered voter in Vero Beach, Indian River County, Florida where we have our home…..the United States of America [is] the clear leader of the "Taxis of Evil" for taxing citizens working abroad. I understand there are only 4 other countries (all of which are 3d world countries) in the world that tax the foreign income of their citizens working abroad… my Australian and UK friends are laughing at us and thanking the USA for your new law which is going to rapidly accelerate the hiring of non-Americans by US and non-US companies. I work for a European based company with factories in Europe and the USA. I am the last American working abroad.”
Anonymous “...we go up an additional US$16k or, should my employer cough up the difference, a grand total of US$28k. The laughable piece should I be made whole is the extra US$3,000 for the Singapore government.”
Hong Kong One man (American) whose wife is Japanese said she told him that from now on, their son would go to the Japanese school in Hong Kong, instead of the American school, since that would result in a lower tax burden on the family.
Lance Hardesty , Singapore

“We are a small business enterprise, trying to expand our presence in the region. We export engineering consulting services project developer in the power, energy, environmental, and mining sectors. We are trying to grow our business and competing against primarily British and Australian firms. Those firms have lots of lower wage Chinese and Indian employees that we have to compete against. Why is the government trying to discourage American from working abroad? The US needs to be motivating people to reduce the trade deficit and improve the economy rather than reducing the incentives.

With regard to taxation on items such as schooling, relocation, and housing expenses, these are benefits that I see a zero net net financial gain. Plus, even if we chose to, my daughter would not be allowed to attend public schools in Singapore because of the differences in curriculum between the U.S. and Singapore school systems."

Dr. Robert Bernstein, Singapore

”I am a retired US Commissioned Medical Officer with one-year old triplets, now working full-time in a non-profit, Singapore healthcare organization which provides development assistance to less well-developed countries in the Asian region…. that contributes to US security through strengthening capacity for medical and public health preparedness and response to emerging and re-emerging infectious diseases. I have a simple contract for salary and a small housing support allowance, but none of the other employer-funded benefits that usually accompany an ex-pat "package" (i.e., no education benefits, no major medical or life insurance benefits, no pension plan, no cost-of-living or other wage supplements). For me and my family, a change in the US income tax laws as described in your email might force me to leave Singapore or stop doing the not-for-profit development assistance work that I do which would have a negative effect on US and Global Health Security.

I hope the adverse provisions of this tax proposal/law can be eliminated or appropriately modified.”

Hong Kong

The Dean of the Faculty of Business at the City University of Hong Kong tells the American Chamber of Commerce in Hong Kong that he had recently been to the U.S. for an annual recruiting trip to hire American faculty members. He had found potential recruits deeply concerned about the effect of the tax law changes on their compensation. (As all universities in Hong Kong, City U provides a housing allowance as part of its compensation to faculty members because of the high cost of housing here.) He had never run into so many questions in the past, and after doing their sums, several of the potential faculty members he had offered jobs to had declined because of the uncertainty and fear of increased tax burden.

The Dean went on to say, with obvious regret, that he was having to increase recruitment in the UK and Australia, whose expat professors do not suffer tax disadvantages from coming to Hong Kong. He noted that typically, 50-70 per cent of the Business Administration faculty has come from the U.S. in the past, because Business Administration was an area where the U.S. excelled. He expected this number would go down this year, and continue to go down in the future unless US tax law was revised to remove the huge tax penalty that American faculty members now faced.

This is a field (Business Administration) where the US has historically excelled, where the Dean WANTS to hire more Americans, and where the students are sympathetic to Americans and to the United States. As a result of this tax change, increasingly in the future they will be taught by nationals of other countries, and see other countries, not the U.S. as the example to regard.

Another blow to U.S. competitiveness. How many times does this have to be repeated before our global influence suffers a killing blow?

 
 
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